pythagoras9 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - PursuitOfReality, nobody actually cares what sophists like you think anyway!
PursuitOfReality Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Sure they do, I talk with Aaron and others in Stickam. If I am a sophist as you say, what is a sophist, and what is wrong with them? I suggest not taking Plato's bias of them. Nietzsche is not worth reading? Why is that Pythagoras9? Is my opinion that Kant is not as worthy to read when compared to other great philosophers inaccurate? Are you saying Aaron should read Kant?
PursuitOfReality Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Opps, guess you are. I only read his comment rather than yours. I'm sure he will have a painful experience when reading Kant's work. I'd put Kant low on the list to read. Even though Kant put tons of effort in his work and was brilliant, he failed. Put Descartes crap low on that list too imo.
pythagoras9 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - PursuitOfReality, you are just a rotten and cynical human being who only cares about his own opinion and that of Nietzsche's. Your rotten and insignificant existence means nothing to anyone.
PursuitOfReality Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Why do you say that pythagoras9? You don't even know me.
PursuitOfReality Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - I think that Aaron is the best person to make this decision for himself. If he embraces Kant, I could care less lol. I'll talk with him about Kant on Stickam if he does. In fact, that'd be kinda fun I think. I think Kant had good intent, so I'm not a cynic in regards to Kant. I think Aaron has good intentions too, so not a cynic in regards to him. Are you running out of names to call me or are you projecting your cynicism on me?
pythagoras9 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - PursuitOfReality, you don't make any rational sense, you are simply playing games with peoples feelings. I am not interested in wasting my time with you.
PursuitOfReality Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - What on earth are you talking about?
PianoIsTheRemedy Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Well to reiterate, I disagree that condescension or degredation should be brought into the broader heading of "dishonesty". As I stated before, I think that term should be reserved for "consciously relating something you know to be false." As such, I think this criticized your premise directly. One's debating style may be condescending, arrogant, or degrading, yet he or she may make a truthful point that is sound. To me, your definition of dishonesty annhilates the usefulness of the term.
PianoIsTheRemedy Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - We may all agree that condescension, arrogance, and degredation are to be avoided; but not on the grounds you give. These are matters of tone and politeness, and in my opnion have nothing to do with the logic or soundness of an argument. Again, I may say something truthful and be condescending in the tone by which I relate it. It may be objectionable, but it is not fallacious.
PianoIsTheRemedy Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - As I see it, I think Az himself would agree that his tone is less than polite. It doesn't particularly bother me, rather, I think the "drama" in the Cropper/Az debate is partly why people watch. His argument in my view has to do with the fact that Cropper simply doesn't spend the time to ever undergo a full analysis of a topic. He shows how Cropper didn't actually read the book in entirety. Impolite yes...
PianoIsTheRemedy Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - BUT; consider that Cropper at least read some part of the book. It seems both impolite and "intellectually dishonest" (as you define it) to attack the title of the book without ever having read it.
BrianTheMusicMan Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - I think Azrienoch was referring to Albert Camus' Absurdism.
aaron0883 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - I have made a very specific argument against condescension and general degradation in this video, and another one that I link to in the description. I use your definition "consciously relating something you know to be false." beautifully. You are not addressing the logical argument that I made, but rather ignoring it, or maybe you never heard it.
brainpolice2 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Trolling Pursuit.
Guncriminal Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Being insulting and condescending in only anti-logical if there is no argument attached.For instance, the sentence: "The Earth goes round the sun and it's easy to prove, you primitivist moron." Is not anti-logical because what it states is logical and factually accurate, even though it's also insulting.
aaron0883 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - adding you primitivist moron is only trying to shame the person and make them feel dumb for their context.This is a different issue from whether or not the earth goes around the sun.If the person doesnt know any better it makes no sense to insult them. You did not know the earth went around the sun once. You were not a moron, just ignorant. If the person rejects logic and evidence than it makes no sense to continue debating them and you are irrational. I suggest to watch my video in the side box
LeafInTheStream Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - To me, the problem with Azrienoch is not that he's condescending (though he is), it's more that he makes assertions that I'm sure he's prepared to argue, but then doesn't argue them. I can never quite figure out where he's coming from. By contrast, the YouTuber "TheoreticalBullshit" tackles big subjects, and reasons deeply, but his reasoning is always as clear as crystal. Why can't Az be this way even once?Is it me? I don't think it's me. Or is it? I don't think so. But then again ...
LeafInTheStream Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - I think that, in philosophy, you can't be absolute in disallowing contradictions.Take for example the question "is there truth?" Do you really want to answer "well, let's see: saying 'no' would be a contradiction, therefore the answer has to be 'yes' - case closed, mystery solved, next topic please!" That's tantamount to saying that the question shouldn't even be asked in the first place, that we shouldn't even ponder whether perhaps knowledge itself is an artifact. Do you want to say this?
Rahab111222 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - lol, Mr. Crapper is an Ayn Rand tard.
NoCryingNowYes Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - I don't think they'll blow each other up, maybe they will waste of of each other's time, but this sort of thing usually ends up reaffirming this behavior (though it could cause the opposite in some cases).I think, at least generally, the only thing that can cure people of this is being shown that being nice is better. Maybe there's no hope for Mr. Cropper (and I don't know Azriechoch), but I don't think I wanna wish this on anyone. It sounds like just more suffering and corruption.
Kurtyoungblood Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Wow, that was so inventive! Usually we're called Randroids, and Randists, but "Ayn Rand tard" is so much better!
Rahab111222 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - I'm glad you like it.
Kurtyoungblood Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - I fail at satire.
pythagoras9 Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - And Nietzsche is not one of them!